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26-11-2003, 02:31 AM
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Re: question about California driver's license
Originally posted by Sennia
> Yup. You can read for yourself here.
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> ]http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-
> bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/10/30/MNGTQ2MBM11.DTL[/u-
> rl]
OT - indeed, this has come to pass. The California Senate voted
*unanimously* yesterday to repeal SB60. The Assembly is expected to
do the same next week with comparatively little fanfare. Yesterday's
vote did *not* split along party lines, indicating that virtually
*everyone* in my party who voted for this law -- which cost Davis my
personal vote in the recall because of the rank pandering (he'd vetoed
this same law twice before, changing his mind only when his job was on
the line) -- is catching major heat from their constituencies. As,
IMO, well they should.
The word on the street is that the bill's sponsor has finally been
persuaded that if he doesn't let this legislative repeal happen and push
for a negotiated compromise bill instead, the entire undocumented
immigrant DL question will end up on the referendum ballot next spring
-- which, considering that 70% of the state's voting population
violently opposes this idea, will pretty much torpedo the idea
permanently. Perhaps that's why he himself yesterday ALSO voted to
repeal the law.
If nothing else, you have to admit that politicians are good at self-
preservation 
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Dekka's Angel
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27-11-2003, 03:51 AM
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#32
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Re: question about California driver's license
Originally posted by Dekka's Angel
> OT - indeed, this has come to pass. The California Senate voted
> *unanimously* yesterday to repeal SB60. The Assembly is expected to
> do the same next week with comparatively little fanfare. Yesterday's
> vote did *not* split along party lines, indicating that virtually
> *everyone* in my party who voted for this law -- which cost Davis my
> personal vote in the recall because of the rank pandering (he'd vetoed
> this same law twice before, changing his mind only when his job was on
> the line) -- is catching major heat from their constituencies. As,
> IMO, well they should.
>
> The word on the street is that the bill's sponsor has finally been
> persuaded that if he doesn't let this legislative repeal happen and
> push for a negotiated compromise bill instead, the entire undocumented
> immigrant DL question will end up on the referendum ballot next spring
> -- which, considering that 70% of the state's voting population
> violently opposes this idea, will pretty much torpedo the idea
> permanently. Perhaps that's why he himself yesterday ALSO voted to
> repeal the law.
>
> If nothing else, you have to admit that politicians are good at self-
> preservation
Hi Angel:
I find the politics behind this whole thing , in a word, suck.
From a standpoint of public safety and as a person who drives the
streets of Los Angeles each and every day, I think it is bad policy to
not license "illegal" aliens.
Also, people on this NG can see that the FEDERAL immigration authorities
often don't know the law they are administrating, the problem is
multiplied in spades for DMV to make that determination. An annoying
part of most immigration attorneys' practices is when DMV denies a
driver's license to alien here LEGALLY or under color of law.
I've always found it strange that many people have the idea that law
breakers should be encouraged to break even more laws. Perhaps the oft-
repeated mantra of DMV that "driving is a privilege and not a right" has
sunk into the public mind. I wonder if people would go along with the
idea that "Cutting hair, selling real estate, brokering loans,
practicing law, practicing medicine, practicing nursing, etc etc is a
privilege and not a right"?
There is part of me that resents the idea that "illegal aliens" are to
be prevented from meeting a requirement that is imposed on US CITIZEN
residents of California. In light of this and given the budget crunch,
perhaps the individual driver's licnesing functions of the DMV should be
abolished? 
--
Certified Specialist
Immigration & Nat. Law
Cal. Bar Board of Legal Specialization
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27-11-2003, 04:29 AM
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Re: question about California driver's license
Originally posted by Folinskyinla
> Hi Angel:
>
> I find the politics behind this whole thing , in a word, suck.
>
> From a standpoint of public safety and as a person who drives the
> streets of Los Angeles each and every day, I think it is bad policy to
> not license "illegal" aliens.
>
> Also, people on this NG can see that the FEDERAL immigration
> authorities often don't know the law they are administrating, the
> problem is multiplied in spades for DMV to make that determination.
> An annoying part of most immigration attorneys' practices is when DMV
> denies a driver's license to alien here LEGALLY or under color of law.
>
> I've always found it strange that many people have the idea that law
> breakers should be encouraged to break even more laws. Perhaps the
> oft-repeated mantra of DMV that "driving is a privilege and not a
> right" has sunk into the public mind. I wonder if people would go
> along with the idea that "Cutting hair, selling real estate, brokering
> loans, practicing law, practicing medicine, practicing nursing, etc
> etc is a privilege and not a right"?
>
> There is part of me that resents the idea that "illegal aliens" are
> to be prevented from meeting a requirement that is imposed on US
> CITIZEN residents of California. In light of this and given the
> budget crunch, perhaps the individual driver's licnesing functions of
> the DMV should be abolished?
We got a bunch of pamphlets from our state assemblyman on that one. We
did actually respond to his (obviously biased) survey (with questions
like: "Are you for tougher environmental laws if that means you will
have to pay a lot more taxes?". You see the style...). What we don't
understand is why they can not do a license just for driving? Working in
an national lab, the US is very good about ensuring that the badges of
foreign nationals and USC are very different [foreign nationals have a
badge that is mostly red while USC have badges that are mostly grey or
blue depending on something I don't remember]. Why is it not possible to
have licenses just for driving when you do not present a paper saying
that you are legally in the country that is clearly marked as such with
a very different color than the one that have been obtained by USC and
legal aliens? IMHO, I think that it is not right that a DL is a proof of
ID, and that legal aliens and USC have the same proof of ID that do not
even mention citizenship.
Caroline
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27-11-2003, 09:00 AM
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#34
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Re: question about California driver's license
Folinskyinla wrote:
> From a standpoint of public safety and as a person who drives the
> streets of Los Angeles each and every day, I think it is bad policy to
> not license "illegal" aliens.
I find it amazing that people think that some how an illegal alien who
is driving without a license is a bad driver and if we merely grant him
a valid driver's license viola! Instant good driver. There is nothing
magical about having a valid drivers license in your pocket that somehow
transforms a bad driver into a good one. On the contrary I think the
reverse is much more likely. I know if I were here illegally and was
unable to get a drivers license, yet I still decided to step behind the
wheel and drive anyway I would drive more cautiously, not recklessly, in
order to not be pulled over by any cop which may then start my removal
proceedings. Granted a valid drivers license I can see the illegal alien
thinking "Gee now a speeding ticket it just a speeding ticket and not
also deportation".
I also don't buy the arguments that with the repeal of this law suddenly
thousands if not millions of illegals will be prevented from going to
work because they can no longer drive. Hell how did they go to work in
the past? Illegally. And they will continue to do so after the repeal too.
--
Why do they put pictures of criminals up in the Post Office? What are we
supposed to do, write to them? Why don't they just put their pictures on
the postage stamps so the mailmen could look for them while they
delivered the mail?
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