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12-06-2008, 01:04 PM
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AB to sell Sea World and Busch Gardens to Disney
!nBev Says theme parks are not part of the core market for the conglomerate and
they will be sold.
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12-06-2008, 11:37 PM
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Re: AB to sell Sea World and Busch Gardens to Disney
TomJohn wrote:
> !nBev Says theme parks are not part of the core market for the conglomerate and
> they will be sold.
No more free beer? Why would anyone go?
-DJ-
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13-06-2008, 11:37 AM
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Re: AB to sell Sea World and Busch Gardens to Disney
On Jun 12, 9:37*am, DJ <d...@send.spam> wrote:
> TomJohn wrote:
> > !nBev Says theme parks are not part of the core market for the conglomerate and
> > they will be sold.
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> No more free beer? *Why would anyone go?
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> -DJ-
First this is an UNsoliciated offer,that means at this point AB has
no plans to sell. two it will take months to consider any proposal. so
the Parks are safe.
signed
TDCMufassa
Keeper and Guardian of the Legend of the Lion King
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14-06-2008, 08:16 AM
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Re: AB to sell Sea World and Busch Gardens to Disney
On Jun 11, 10:04 pm, TomJohn <redro...@smc.com> wrote:
> !nBev Says theme parks are not part of the core market for the conglomerate and
> they will be sold.
Background before I reply:
We visited Busch Gardens in Tampa earlier this month. It was my first
visit in about 25 years... I hated it as a kid (there just wasn't
enough to do), but loved it this time. We bit the bullet and paid $70
extra each to go on a 3 hour Thrill Seekers tour. There were five of
us in the group and we had a private tour guide who took us to all of
the coasters. We entered through the exits, and were put on the rides
without any waiting at all. Even better, at the end of the tour, we
each got 10 passes so we could continue to do the same "enter through
the exit" bit. We never waited at all. Best: there was a slight
snafu at one coaster and we had to wait about 10 minutes before
boarding. As a result, our tour guide got us free passes to the "feed
the giraffe's" tour. The $70 bucks was worth it! Talk about
spoiled! I don't want to wait in lines ever again!
Now my real response:
I asked the tour guide some background about the Parks and she told me
that "old man Busch" loved the theme parks. The son, who has pretty
much taken over, just isn't into the whole thing and would be glad to
get rid of them. The Board of Directors is sort of split over the
concept.
The park itself was beautiful, but doesn't have the "Disney touch."
It would be cool to see Disney take over and fix up some of the places
that they're lacking. Examples: they need to work on focusing your
attention. There were way too many places where you could see the
inner workings of the park (dumpsters, etc..). I'm all for Disney
taking over and running it as their "coaster park," as long as they
spend some money to Disney-fy it.
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14-06-2008, 10:34 AM
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Re: AB to sell Sea World and Busch Gardens to Disney
On Jun 13, 6:16*pm, Dave <tprd...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Jun 11, 10:04 pm, TomJohn <redro...@smc.com> wrote:
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> > !nBev Says theme parks are not part of the core market for the conglomerate and
> > they will be sold.
>
> Background before I reply:
> We visited Busch Gardens in Tampa earlier this month. *It was my first
> visit in about 25 years... I hated it as a kid (there just wasn't
> enough to do), but loved it this time. *We bit the bullet and paid $70
> extra each to go on a 3 hour Thrill Seekers tour. *There were five of
> us in the group and we had a private tour guide who took us to all of
> the coasters. *We entered through the exits, and were put on the rides
> without any waiting at all. *Even better, at the end of the tour, we
> each got 10 passes so we could continue to do the same "enter through
> the exit" bit. *We never waited at all. *Best: *there was a slight
> snafu at one coaster and we had to wait about 10 minutes before
> boarding. *As a result, our tour guide got us free passes to the "feed
> the giraffe's" tour. *The $70 bucks was worth it! *Talk about
> spoiled! *I don't want to wait in lines ever again!
>
> Now my real response:
> I asked the tour guide some background about the Parks and she told me
> that "old man Busch" loved the theme parks. *The son, who has pretty
> much taken over, just isn't into the whole thing and would be glad to
> get rid of them. *The Board of Directors is sort of split over the
> concept.
>
> The park itself was beautiful, but doesn't have the "Disney touch."
> It would be cool to see Disney take over and fix up some of the places
> that they're lacking. *Examples: *they need to work on focusing your
> attention. *There were way too many places where you could see the
> inner workings of the park (dumpsters, etc..). *I'm all for Disney
> taking over and running it as their "coaster park," as long as they
> spend some money to Disney-fy it.
then you have to consider who would be interested In any such selling
of the Parks, with allready WDW in Orlando and Disneyland in Ca,Disney
would not buy Bush Gardens-Tampa or Seaworld-Orlando and Seaworld Ca,
Cedar Fair would'nt be interested in Bush Gardens-Williamsburg because
they already own Kings Dominion, Do you know who that leaves? Yes,Six
Flags!! Six Flags would love a presence in the Orlando area, and
Seaworld- and Bush Gardens-Williasmsburg are far enough away from to
not draw too much from existing Six Flags Parks., So pray that six
flags don't get thier grubby hands on Bush Gardens because they would
only ruin them. Six Flags runs Amusement parks,not theme parks.
signed
TDCMufassa
Keeper and Guardian of The Legend of the Lion King
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14-06-2008, 05:06 PM
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Re: AB to sell Sea World and Busch Gardens to Disney
On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:34:26 -0700 (PDT), Mufassa
<whitelion43@yahoo.com> wrote:
> then you have to consider who would be interested In any such selling
>of the Parks, with allready WDW in Orlando and Disneyland in Ca,Disney
>would not buy Bush Gardens-Tampa or Seaworld-Orlando and Seaworld Ca,
>Cedar Fair would'nt be interested in Bush Gardens-Williamsburg because
>they already own Kings Dominion, Do you know who that leaves? Yes,Six
>Flags!! Six Flags would love a presence in the Orlando area, and
>Seaworld- and Bush Gardens-Williasmsburg are far enough away from to
>not draw too much from existing Six Flags Parks., So pray that six
>flags don't get thier grubby hands on Bush Gardens because they would
>only ruin them. Six Flags runs Amusement parks,not theme parks.
> signed
First, the sad truth: If the hostile take-over of AB goes through,
the parks WILL be sold. That's straight from my Budweiser
representative for the bar.
Now the opinion: Mufasa is right, Disney isn't going to be getting
into the business of buying existing parks. Neither is NBC/Universal.
However, from what I've read recently, Six Flags is in NO shape to buy
parks. Cedar Fair is about the only option, unless some new company
wants to come in.
Foxtrot
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14-06-2008, 10:43 PM
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Re: AB to sell Sea World and Busch Gardens to Disney
On Wed, 11 Jun 2008 22:04:20 -0500, TomJohn <redrover@smc.com> wrote:
>!nBev Says theme parks are not part of the core market for the conglomerate and
>they will be sold.
Good chance to take control of a minor competitor and expand the Disney image.
SW has never been successful in the theming aspect and could benefit from Team
Disney
AB never seemed to really take interest. Vivendi would probably love to sell
Univ Studios, so they don't have an interest in the AB operations
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14-06-2008, 11:53 PM
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Re: AB to sell Sea World and Busch Gardens to Disney
In article <j8r654157vs5ju6gqah7ttvioc5k0kg7u5@4ax.com>,
Charlie Foxtrot <Bennett6570@msn.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 17:34:26 -0700 (PDT), Mufassa
> <whitelion43@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> Now the opinion: Mufasa is right, Disney isn't going to be getting
> into the business of buying existing parks. Neither is NBC/Universal.
Generally speaking, I would think you're right. Disney would have no
real use for SW or BG as operating parks. However... they could just
buy them, close them and keep the land. Drives more people to WDW.
~Jeff
TDC Experiment 626 and Guardian of Stitch Kingdom
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16-06-2008, 01:40 AM
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Re: AB to sell Sea World and Busch Gardens to Disney
On Sat, 14 Jun 2008 09:53:09 -0400, Jeffrey Gordon <jeff@jeffreygordon.net>
wrote:
>Generally speaking, I would think you're right. Disney would have no
>real use for SW or BG as operating parks. However... they could just
>buy them, close them and keep the land. Drives more people to WDW.
While not on the main property, I think Sea World would be a great extension of
Disney Magic. Disney has nothing similar and it could become the 4th park
everyone talks about in Orlando, not to mention the other BE properties.
I've always considered Sea World worth a visit every 5 years. It's a pleasant
experience, but I think it's one Disney could absolutely improve and extend in
many areas. As a stockholder, I would strongly encourage considering the roll-up
and expanding the geographic base of the parks division. I'm sure impressive
cost-savings could be implemented by consolidation of operations and the Disney
name added to SW would benefit attendance.
You probably wouldn't see immediate rebranding and Disney Magic since the costs
would be significant, but in ten years I would expect pleasant blending of the
two operations.
With a lack of qualified and financially capable buyers (assuming that there are
few) SW could be a real bargain purchase right now. It could be a great place
for Nemo and any other undersea adventures they can Imagineer.  In fact they
could close the big tank at EPCOT and make that part of the Sea World
experience.
Busch Entertainment brings in 8 percent of its parent's revenues. The parks
earned $162-million in 2007 on revenues of $1.2-billion. That's twice the profit
of a decade ago, before Busch went on a capital spending spree. Since 2005 Busch
has spent $332-million on new attractions.
Orlando Anheuser Busch Cos. signed a deal to put about $5-billion worth of
theme parks in Dubai. Busch Entertainment Corp. unit, unveiled the deal with a
unit of Dubai World, Nakheel, an arm of the Dubai government. Nakheel will
finance the parks, paying Busch license and management fees. I presume Disney
would enjoy a presence in the UAI, with all that disposable income.
Presenting: "Walt Disney's Sea World!" LA--Orlando--San Antonio
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16-06-2008, 03:01 AM
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Re: AB to sell Sea World and Busch Gardens to Disney
Mufassa wrote:
>On Jun 13, 6:16 pm, Dave <tprd...@aol.com> wrote:
>
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>>On Jun 11, 10:04 pm, TomJohn <redro...@smc.com> wrote:
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>>
>>>!nBev Says theme parks are not part of the core market for the conglomerate and
>>>they will be sold.
>>>
>>>
>>Now my real response:
>>I asked the tour guide some background about the Parks and she told me
>>that "old man Busch" loved the theme parks. The son, who has pretty
>>much taken over, just isn't into the whole thing and would be glad to
>>get rid of them. The Board of Directors is sort of split over the
>>concept.
>>
>>The park itself was beautiful, but doesn't have the "Disney touch."
>>It would be cool to see Disney take over and fix up some of the places
>>that they're lacking. Examples: they need to work on focusing your
>>attention. There were way too many places where you could see the
>>inner workings of the park (dumpsters, etc..). I'm all for Disney
>>taking over and running it as their "coaster park," as long as they
>>spend some money to Disney-fy it.
>>
>>
>
> then you have to consider who would be interested In any such selling
>of the Parks, with allready WDW in Orlando and Disneyland in Ca,Disney
>would not buy Bush Gardens-Tampa or Seaworld-Orlando and Seaworld Ca,
>Cedar Fair would'nt be interested in Bush Gardens-Williamsburg because
>they already own Kings Dominion, Do you know who that leaves? Yes,Six
>Flags!! Six Flags would love a presence in the Orlando area, and
>Seaworld- and Bush Gardens-Williasmsburg are far enough away from to
>not draw too much from existing Six Flags Parks., So pray that six
>flags don't get thier grubby hands on Bush Gardens because they would
>only ruin them. Six Flags runs Amusement parks,not theme parks.
> signed
>TDCMufassa
>Keeper and Guardian of The Legend of the Lion King
>
>
Coaster metal is expensive, buy it cheap and ship it. Prefab the
building and get a Mummy for next to nothing.
If Disney Resorts picked up Bush Gardens, it would be to close them and
make it America Sang, err... 'No Imagineering' Mountain, er.. or like
that. Why, each park could get a "big new thing" every year at a price
of next to nothing, for several years. For example, pour concrete pylons
in lake DCA and have an over water inversion installed, recycle Golden
Zephyr as loading station. That area is ripe for a spash-down too.
indemnity waiver:
not a real idea, not on the clock, own equipment, all rights released. --Wiz.
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16-06-2008, 03:36 AM
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Re: AB to sell Sea World and Busch Gardens to Disney
As a St. Louisan and Disney fan, I have to weigh in on this.
In article
<d2ddb2a1-17d0-4c43-8e24-2cff914c55e3@25g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>,
Dave <tprdave@aol.com> wrote:
> Now my real response:
> I asked the tour guide some background about the Parks and she told me
> that "old man Busch" loved the theme parks. The son, who has pretty
> much taken over, just isn't into the whole thing and would be glad to
> get rid of them. The Board of Directors is sort of split over the
> concept.
Old Man Busch would be Augie, Jr. He passed away several years ago, and
August A. Busch, the Third didn't take over so much as was knighted in
heir. He sold the St. Louis Carinals a few years back (another of
Augie, Jr.'s passions), but the board of directors has opt to retain the
parks as much for marketing legacy as for corporate imaging. Good for a
beer maker to have some family oriented operations as part of the
corporation.
> The park itself was beautiful, but doesn't have the "Disney touch."
> It would be cool to see Disney take over and fix up some of the places
> that they're lacking. Examples: they need to work on focusing your
> attention. There were way too many places where you could see the
> inner workings of the park (dumpsters, etc..). I'm all for Disney
> taking over and running it as their "coaster park," as long as they
> spend some money to Disney-fy it.
Now we have rumors of Disney buying Six Flags (won't happen) and the
Busch Parks. Disney cannot buy out every theme park that is on the
chopping block. If they had any interest, we would have seen them take
in some of Six Flags' better namesake orphans.
Disney does what they do their way, from the ground up. It would not
fit their scheme of things to buy someone else's baggage and re-theme it
with mouse ears.
jt
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16-06-2008, 03:40 AM
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Re: AB to sell Sea World and Busch Gardens to Disney
In article
<00be959b-e404-4b9b-9510-6bfd53adb199@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>,
Mufassa <whitelion43@yahoo.com> wrote:
> So pray that six flags don't get thier grubby hands
> on Bush Gardens because they would only ruin them.
Six Flags can't afford to pay for the Evil Knievel they put in this year
at SF Over Mid America - er - SF:STL. Attendance is so poor that they
just this week dropped adult admissions to $34.95 - a permanent $15 drop
- to try and get more people to come out. They are in serious financial
trouble. Their buying the Busch Parks is an idea they can't even afford
to dream about.
jt
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16-06-2008, 04:45 AM
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Re: AB to sell Sea World and Busch Gardens to Disney
In article <starsabre-1B5C77.12362015062008@inetnews.worldnet.att.net>,
jt august <starsabre@net.att> wrote:
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>Disney does what they do their way, from the ground up. It would not
>fit their scheme of things to buy someone else's baggage and re-theme it
>with mouse ears.
That's been my thought during this whole discussion. Taking over
someone else's theme park just doesn't sound like something Disney
would do, and I have found no news articles that support the claim
in the Subject line of this thread.
In fact, I haven't even found anything to suggest that InBev, if
its takeover of Anheuser-Busch is successful, will definitely sell
the theme parks. It's certainly a logical guess, but the original
poster didn't provide a citation of his information, and I've found
no such statements from InBev. The closest was an article that said
InBev had hinted that it would sell its non-core businesses.
Patty
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16-06-2008, 06:36 AM
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Re: AB to sell Sea World and Busch Gardens to Disney
"Patty Winter" <patty1@wintertime.com> wrote in message
news:4855635c$0$17237$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
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> In article <starsabre-1B5C77.12362015062008@inetnews.worldnet.att.net>,
> jt august <starsabre@net.att> wrote:
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>>Disney does what they do their way, from the ground up. It would not
>>fit their scheme of things to buy someone else's baggage and re-theme it
>>with mouse ears.
>
> That's been my thought during this whole discussion. Taking over
> someone else's theme park just doesn't sound like something Disney
> would do, and I have found no news articles that support the claim
> in the Subject line of this thread.
>
> Patty
I really shouldn't stick me nose in here but you do have a most excellent
point in that Disney is not known for taking over someone else's parks but
they ARE know for buying up valuable property. I'll just leave it at that.
Boom
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16-06-2008, 07:15 AM
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Re: AB to sell Sea World and Busch Gardens to Disney
In article <_2f5k.56468$qk1.17578@fe02.news.easynews.com>,
CEO Boom <thisisabadaddresssodontuseit@boom.com> wrote:
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>I really shouldn't stick me nose in here but you do have a most excellent
>point in that Disney is not known for taking over someone else's parks but
>they ARE know for buying up valuable property. I'll just leave it at that.
Good point, Boom. If InBev buys AB, and if they don't want to run
theme parks, and if they can't find a buyer who wants to run theme
parks, then I could see lots of potential buyers for the land under
the Busch parks--including Disney.
Patty
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