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26-06-2008, 02:58 AM
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Sierra Designs guy line instructions?
I have a Sierra Designs backpacking tent, which I intend to use car
camping this summer. I've set it up in my living room and I think
I've figured out most of the setup details. However - I can't quite
figure out how the guy lines are supposed to work if it's windy. The
instructions have no picture of them being used, and I can't find any
instructions on the SD website. I figure I'll probably need some
fluted stakes, which I'll borrow from my solo tent setup.
The guy lines look like the following, except that the included lines
don't have the reflective accents.
http://www.altrec.com/sierra-design...ive-guyline-kit
My first guess is that they simply form a loop, and I should draw them
with the friction keeping the line from slipping.
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26-06-2008, 06:34 AM
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Re: Sierra Designs guy line instructions?
y_p_w wrote:
> I have a Sierra Designs backpacking tent, which I intend to use car
> camping this summer. I've set it up in my living room and I think
> I've figured out most of the setup details. However - I can't quite
> figure out how the guy lines are supposed to work if it's windy. The
> instructions have no picture of them being used, and I can't find any
> instructions on the SD website. I figure I'll probably need some
> fluted stakes, which I'll borrow from my solo tent setup.
I have always used aluminum pin stakes, and pitched my tent out of the wind.
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> The guy lines look like the following, except that the included lines
> don't have the reflective accents.
>
> http://www.altrec.com/sierra-design...ive-guyline-kit
>
> My first guess is that they simply form a loop, and I should draw them
> with the friction keeping the line from slipping.
Yes they do form a loop, but the cord tighteners don't always work all
that well. I use a tautline hitch instead, which works just fine on
nylon cord.
http://www.iland.net/~jbritton/tautlinehitch.htm
Think of the spool in the picture as the top of a pounded in stake, and
the long part (called the standing part) as the line coming from a loop
on the tent or a grommet. Follow the instructions to tie the tautline
hitch at home several times, until you know how to tie it. Once the
cords are tied properly, when you take down your tent, you can just
loosen the cord and leave the loop tied until the next time you pitch
that tent.
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26-06-2008, 09:54 AM
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Re: Sierra Designs guy line instructions?
On Jun 25, 1:34*pm, PatOConnell <gypkap.figureit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> y_p_wwrote:
> > I have a Sierra Designs backpacking tent, which I intend to use car
> > camping this summer. *I've set it up in my living room and I think
> > I've figured out most of the setup details. *However - I can't quite
> > figure out how the guy lines are supposed to work if it's windy. *The
> > instructions have no picture of them being used, and I can't find any
> > instructions on the SD website. *I figure I'll probably need some
> > fluted stakes, which I'll borrow from my solo tent setup.
>
> I have always used aluminum pin stakes, and pitched my tent out of the wind.
>
>
>
> > The guy lines look like the following, except that the included lines
> > don't have the reflective accents.
>
> >http://www.altrec.com/sierra-design...ive-guyline-kit
>
> > My first guess is that they simply form a loop, and I should draw them
> > with the friction keeping the line from slipping.
>
> Yes they do form a loop, but the cord tighteners don't always work all
> that well. I use a tautline hitch instead, which works just fine on
> nylon cord.
Well - what got me was that at the factory they tied a knot at one
end, and slipped the line near the knot into the slots. At first I
thought it was supposed to somehow be used that way. Now that I think
of it, that must be meant for the other end of the line to form a
loop.
> http://www.iland.net/~jbritton/tautlinehitch.htm
>
> Think of the spool in the picture as the top of a pounded in stake, and
> the long part (called the standing part) as the line coming from a loop
> on the tent or a grommet. Follow the instructions to tie the tautline
> hitch at home several times, until you know how to tie it. Once the
> cords are tied properly, when you take down your tent, you can just
> loosen the cord and leave the loop tied until the next time you pitch
> that tent.
Thanks for the suggestion. I'll try it out.
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27-06-2008, 02:21 AM
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Re: Sierra Designs guy line instructions?
On Jun 25, 1:34*pm, PatOConnell <gypkap.figureit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> y_p_wwrote:
> > I have a Sierra Designs backpacking tent, which I intend to use car
> > camping this summer. *I've set it up in my living room and I think
> > I've figured out most of the setup details. *However - I can't quite
> > figure out how the guy lines are supposed to work if it's windy. *The
> > instructions have no picture of them being used, and I can't find any
> > instructions on the SD website. *I figure I'll probably need some
> > fluted stakes, which I'll borrow from my solo tent setup.
>
> I have always used aluminum pin stakes, and pitched my tent out of the wind.
>
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> > The guy lines look like the following, except that the included lines
> > don't have the reflective accents.
>
> >http://www.altrec.com/sierra-design...ive-guyline-kit
>
> > My first guess is that they simply form a loop, and I should draw them
> > with the friction keeping the line from slipping.
>
> Yes they do form a loop, but the cord tighteners don't always work all
> that well. I use a tautline hitch instead, which works just fine on
> nylon cord.
I tried it when I got home. I came to the conclusion that once the
loop is completed and tightened, the cord has to be doubled back into
one of the slots to keep it from slipping. I really wish this came
with instructions.
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27-06-2008, 04:47 PM
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#5
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Re: Sierra Designs guy line instructions?
PatOConnell wrote:
> y_p_w wrote:
>> I figure I'll probably need some
>> fluted stakes, which I'll borrow from my solo tent setup.
>
> I have always used aluminum pin stakes, and pitched my tent out of the
> wind.
Pins/skewers or V/flutes work better in different sorts of ground. Vs
work best in soft soil (wide, deep Vs for sand or snow) while skewers
work better in hard and/or stony ground (easier to get them in to a
decent depth without hitting an obstacle, a well embedded skewer has
better holding power than a poorly embedded V (or Y) stake).
Either take both (if you're in the car) or select according to the
ground you're likely to be camping on.
Wind is not a particular problem for skewer pegs, as long as they're in
ground which will hold them. Wind performance is far more affected by
other features of the tent design.
Pete.
--
Peter Clinch Medical Physics IT Officer
Tel 44 1382 660111 ext. 33637 Univ. of Dundee, Ninewells Hospital
Fax 44 1382 640177 Dundee DD1 9SY Scotland UK
net p.j.clinch@dundee.ac.uk http://www.dundee.ac.uk/~pjclinch/
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28-06-2008, 02:20 AM
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Re: Sierra Designs guy line instructions?
On Jun 26, 11:47*pm, Peter Clinch <p.j.cli...@dundee.ac.uk> wrote:
> PatOConnell wrote:
> >y_p_wwrote:
> >> I figure I'll probably need some
> >> fluted stakes, which I'll borrow from my solo tent setup.
>
> > I have always used aluminum pin stakes, and pitched my tent out of the
> > wind.
>
> Pins/skewers or V/flutes work better in different sorts of ground. *Vs
> work best in soft soil (wide, deep Vs for sand or snow) while skewers
> work better in hard and/or stony ground (easier to get them in to a
> decent depth without hitting an obstacle, a well embedded skewer has
> better holding power than a poorly embedded V (or Y) stake).
>
> Either take both (if you're in the car) or select according to the
> ground you're likely to be camping on.
>
> Wind is not a particular problem for skewer pegs, as long as they're in
> ground which will hold them. *Wind performance is far more affected by
> other features of the tent design.
Maybe I'll try a little bit of both. I'm actually headed for the
Pacific Northwest. I don't think wind will be a big factor at the
developed campgrounds at Crater Lake or Mt Rainier, but I've got one
night lined up at Kalaloch Campground on the west coast of the Olympic
Peninsula. I understand it can be wet and of course it's going to be
windy near the ocean.
Right now I've got the (never used outdoors) tent set up indoors, but
of course I can't drive stakes into the carpet. Looks a bit strange
since I can't stake out the rainfly corner.
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